Tuesday, February 15, 2011

"Where Is The Love?" Part Uno



My fellow hip-hop heads...what up? What's good?! What's crackin?! What it do?! I know, I know - it's been a minute since I've written and I apologize for that. What can I say? Taking over the world is quite time consuming – ask Pinky and The Brain. Anywho, there are important matters to be discussed in the world of hip-hop. As we've all recently seen just a couple of weeks ago, The Black Eyed Peas performed at the halftime show for Super Bowl XLV, going thru a slew of their hits including “I Got A Feeling”, “Boom Boom Pow”, “Pump It”, “Let's Get It Started”, amongst others. They even brought out Slash from Guns and Roses to play guitar while Fergie sang a cover of their late 1980's smash “Sweet Child of Mine”. If this performance made any statement whatsoever, it was simply that we're living in the age of The Black Eyed Peas – in terms of commercial music. Hate it or love it, they are the poster children for pop/commercial hip-hop music in 2011.



With that said, I found it interesting that there were a wide range of mixed emotions about their performance from the hip-hop community:

"Maaaaaan Black Eyed Peas & Usher Kiiiiiillllleeed the Halftime performance!!!!!! Best one I have seen," Chamillionaire declared.

"My ni99 from the black eye peas outfit was LIT.COM!!! dat ni99a s**t had its own light show..LOL!! #WTFMoment!" tweeted Yukmouth.


"Hate if u want but Black Eye Peas SHUT THAT S**T DOWN!!!!!!!!" Busta Rhymes tweeted.

"Regardless what people wanna say @william is a rapper, thats rap music with a pop feel, so go head and say it was the best eva I LOVE IT !!!" Jermaine Dupri tweeted.

Youtube, facebook and other social media outlets were no different. Many positive, many negative, but regardless of what was said – it is clear that The Black Eyed Peas are in their prime right now.   


My question is this: Would you consider The Black Eyed Peas hip-hop? By hip-hop, I'm asking if they're credible? Worthy of our respect as hip-hop artists who have taken the game a step further? Do they deserve recognition for all the number one hits, all of the sold out arenas, all of the Grammy awards, etc.?   

Many argue that they are absolutely not hip-hop, they are simply a manufactured group created by a major label to appeal to the masses – in other words, they're sell-outs. Their subject matter go no further than the clubs and the dance floor and their song structure is based off of more sing-songy melodic hooks, than 16 tough bars – which is taboo in hip-hop! Many say that they've sold out by adding Fergie to the group – and argue that “They were hot back when they did 'Joints and Jams'”.

Again...are the Black Eyed Peas hip-hop?

Allow me to play devil's advocate just for a minute. Last time I checked, the clubs were a key part of hip-hop's culture. Where ever the party is, it is the MC's job to move the crowd, right? They have to be the one to keep the party moving when no one else can't. It seems like The Black Eyed Peas are doing a great job of that at the moment. Also, there are four elements in our hip-hop culture: Djing, graffiti, b-boying/breaking, and rapping. How many rap groups have you heard of that also have break-dancers? If you watch their video for “Pump It”, you can see the hip-hop influence in that the entire concept of the video is a b-boy battle. What's the subject matter of the song? “We're the best, we're the shit, etc. - and you're not”. That's hip-hop at its essence. Is there something I'm missing?  



Let's look at their biggest hit to date, “I Got A Feeling” which is more sing songy and melodic, and definitely more of a pop feel because of the beat – which caters to the club-scene instantly. And although, Wil.i.am uses the over-exhausted autotune, the only thing that makes The Black Eyed Peas different from when they recorded “Joints and Jams” (without Fergie, of course) is their image and their choice of beats - but in terms of content and song structure, they've always incorporated melody/singing and their lyrics have always been about getting the party started, getting the crowd hyped, and being dope at it. Check out “Joints and Jams”: 



Yes, I agree that The Black Eyed Peas changed their style up for commercial purposes when they acquired Fergie and changed their sound from their first album, the more hip-hop soul sounding Behind the Front. They saw they had potential to reach a larger demographic, and ran with it. But are we upset with Black Eyed Peas because they're catering to the clubs and not speaking on the plight of the world (even though one of their biggest hits “Where Is The Love” speaks on that exact issue ironically)? Are we upset that they're using autotune, like so many other countless hip-hop artists? Are we upset that Fergie is clearly the difference-maker in their sales and without her they'll always be the “Joints and Jams” guys? Everyone wants hip-hop to be one way, and the fact is that it's not. Black Eyed Peas may not be what you're into, but to say they're not hip-hop is blasphemy, especially when they're the one group who incorporates a little more of the four elements than most other hardcore rappers we champion. They are probably the most well-rounded and talented group that is out right now if for only the fact that they're also gifted dancers and freestyle rappers. Are they intricate lyricists with metaphors, stories and wordplay? No. Are they activists? No. But if you wanna get the party started, you can count on BEP – and there is and always has been a place for that in hip-hop. So stop acting like ya'll don't like dancing! We're living in a time where hip-hop is no longer underground – it's universal. People are influenced by our hip-hop culture all over the world – The Black Eyed Peas are symbolic of that unity. 







Again, I was playing devil's advocate – so let the hate begin!!! 

38 comments:

  1. Definitely Hip Hop they have just grown Waaaaaay beyond the Urban Market

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  2. well put BROTHA!!!! Could not have been said any better!

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  3. I agree with you Ronve...Hip-Hop has so many flavors now. The BEP are a blend of many and especially Pop in the huge spectrum of Hip-Hop today. BEP clearly has made a huge contribution to Hip-Hop. They're not my particular cup of tea but I cannot ignore that they've clearly earned the respect of Hip-Hop....and as far as "selling out", well I think they should be able to say it in a positive way such as, "yeah we sold out...every seat in a venue and stadium we perform at" LOL....every artist wishes they could sell out a whole stadium, on a global platform no less...

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  4. Brandice BS'mOne BellFebruary 16, 2011 at 7:18 AM

    Of course they deserve credit as artists for producing a sound that is both unique and universal all at once, however, referring to them as hip-hop artists brings one to first wonder, what is hip-hop today? We all can agree that it has evolved" (whether backwards or forwards is up for debate) from its "La Di Da Di" and Melle Mel roots into something a bit more accessible, so if asked to define hip-hop in this day and age, my response would be, in the words of Run D.M.C., “It’s Tricky”. I don’t think that we should completely rewrite our definition of hip-hop to appeal to this idea that everything changes, yet in a world where Martina McBride, and Florence from Florence and the Machine are called to do a Grammy tribute to the Queen of Soul, it is quite apparent that hip-hop, like many other genres, is moving further from NWA and closer to NWO, the new world order. Very soon there will be no genres of music, making the Grammy's even more generic than they already are. Now I'd be misleading you if I said I wish we could go back to the days of "Don't push me cuz I'm close to the edge", not to say that cro-magnon hip-hop wasn't great, but I will say that you'd be hard pressed to find a true classic on the radio in this day and age. I applaud the BEP for their ingenuity and for their unique ability to create a universal sound, however, I have a difficult time labeling them as hip-hop artists. This is in no way my ethnocentristic attempt to shut out artists that may not sound like Biggie or 2Pac, but I do think there was something to be said about hip-hop's fallen soldiers. Their deaths were not in vain. They left a legacy, a very specific hip-hop infused legacy, no sugar, no cream. My question is, when the BEP are gone, what will their leagacy be, will new-age hip-hop artists look back and aspire to shadow their sound? If so, what will this mean for the future of hip-hop. Hip-hop seems to be the only genre faced with this conumdrum. The soul and spirit of rock, country, techno, and R&B still remains intact. I'm sure that Johnny Cash isn't rolling over in his grave at the sounds of Miranda Lambert and Keith Urban. The Beatles are probably smiling down on artists like Muse and Train. If we allow the BEP to be hip-hop's future, are we willingly also leading to it's demise? I don't know about you but I feel like the state of hip hop right now is like that family picture of Marty McFly in Back to the Future. When you try to run away from your past because it isn't as fun to dance to, the more you erase your future.

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  5. I hear you...but I'm not saying BEP are hip-hop's future. I'm not saying we rewrite the definition of hip-hop. In fact, I was going by what we know as the definition of hip-hop: Djing, bboying, graffiti, and rap - BEP are in fact very hip-hop. I'm very aware that many look at them as sell outs, which is why I raised the question. I asked if they deserve a spot in hip-hop? Do they deserve our respect as ones who took hip-hop in a different direction? Hip-hop is J. Cole, Jay Electronica, Jay-Z, Nas, Grandmaster Flash, Busy Bee, LL Cool J, Outkast, Fu Schnikens, Tribe Called Quest, Eminem...everything. BEP included. Yes they do a lot of genre blending like many artists are starting to do now...but so did Biggie/Puff with R&B. So did Mos Def with rock. Fugees/Wyclef experimented with it with Reggae. They're all hip-hop. So why can't BEP do it with pop?

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  6. Brandice BS'mOne Bell saidFebruary 16, 2011 at 7:20 AM

    I have no problem with them going in a pop direction. But what if every artist started going in a pop direction. I like the Black Eyed Peas. I just have grown a bit wearisome of the dance trax. Maybe it's because I'm older, but I am only in the club about 3% of my life so the BEP constitute probably about 3% of my musical library. Everything has a place. If you want a halftime show performer, they're your go-to group. If you want music that inspires you to do something other than dance or make beats, you'll probably have to go elsewhere.

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  7. Brandice BS'mOne BellFebruary 16, 2011 at 7:21 AM

    This is a silly analogy but Fantasia won a Grammy last night for best vocal performance. Yet she was not there to accept the award and we all know that she probly didn't have anything better to do, lol. She stayed home because she was hurt that they were doing a tribute to one of her favorite artists and she was not invited to perform in her honor. She looooves Aretha and couldn't bear to sit in the audience while others sang her most well-known songs so, to avoid a Lil Mama moment, she stayed at home. Was that a good look for her? No. Do I understand the sentiment? Yes. very much so. There are amazing artists out there who really have something to say, voices that we haven't heard. They may not come in a package as pretty as the BEP's but, they're ridiculously talented. Hip-hop shouldn't just be I sell drugs and ride on 24's or whatever the number is, but it CANNOT be just breaking and DJing and flashy lights either. I am not anti-BEP. I am anti-the proliferation of mainstream music in a way that stifles artists that are eqally as talented but not as accessible. Not every artist wants to be underground. Hell even hard-core ass Eminem has sold out, they got him advertising iced-tea for Pete's sake. I just hate that it's come to this. That the only way the BEP could get on the map is by adding a mildly attractive female to the crew and watering down their lyrics. Taboo and Apl used to be my favs because they always spoke about their humble beginnings, now they're little more than background dancers in the Will.i.am and Fergie show.

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  8. Nicole 'Jukey' WhiteheadFebruary 16, 2011 at 7:21 AM

    If Hiphop & its disciples embrace the cultural as a global, yet universal entity, then BEP should be considered hiphop...especially since their beginning platform WAS hiphop. Something like that never leaves you. Whether Fergie is in the group or not. At least NOW, they have a stronger platform 2 be whatever they want 2 be. Let hiphop evolve & stop being closed-minded, ppl.

    Good one, Ve.

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  9. My answer is yes. Hip Hop is more than a genre or style of music. Hip Hop has become ingrained in our culture and others around the world. Hip Hop is a vehicle of pursuit for the under privelledged masses.Hip Hop is a means of rebellion for the silver spoon sucking rich kids. For me its more about expressing the emotions from pain to pleasure that can't be expressed in any other medium with the same depth and even ambiguity.That's why groups like BEP are able to utilize all other forms of music to get the whole world up and on the dance floor. If Hip Hop is what it was intended to be then the artist that rep it should never be forced to identify with any archetypes,stereotypes, so on and so forth. As artist we should be able to agree on at least this much. "Hip Hop is bigger than US". Great question Ve

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  10. No. And might I add a hell in front of that? Talented, they are, hip-hop, they are not. Just because you were a hip hop artist and decided to go a different route, doesn't mean you are still making hip hop. If you make a pop album, you are a pop group. If mos def made a rock album, it would be labeled a rock album, and for that moment in time, he is a rock artist. Regardless of Black on Both Sides, once you change your genre, you change your genre. It's simple. If you can honestly say that any of BEP's albums, post Fergie, are in your top 200 Hip hop albums, you are tripping.

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  11. Not Hip Hop. KRS-One and Uncle Murda would agree with my take.

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  12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAKxjTRV6ms

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  13. Why is everyone so interested in putting labels on what they genre BEP fits into? Or any musical artist for that matter. Not everything can be wrapped up neatly and tied with a bow. So, they used to be more underground/hip-hop and now they're more pop and in 10 years, assuming they're still popular, who knows what they will be? Isn't that what any artist should be doing? Evolving, changing, exploring and pushing boundaries. I'm not saying BEP is the most innovative group to ever walk the Earth but I think it's also clear that with each passing day that music is blurring the genre lines and it becomes harder and harder to identify where someone fits in.

    In terms of selling out, eh, maybe. That all depends on your definition of "sell out" and "success". If you use events like the Grammy's or the Superbowl half time show as your litmus test for what's popular or what "good" music is, then I think you ought to turn off the radio and go explore what else is out there. There's a time and a place for Black Eyed Peas on my own personal playlist just like there is for Ben Folds, Jay Z and musical theater.

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  14. @Ro - This wasn't a question of whether or not you like BEP. No they're not in my rotation nor are any of their albums in my top 200 albums, period. Are they the kind of artists that write from their soul or pours their heart and deep emotions on a record - of course not. I think while lyrically, they're nothing new, they're very innovative on the production end - but that's not the question lol They're rapping (and singing) on their albums. They incorporate break dancing in their videos. Sooooo how are they not hip-hop, again? Because their beats are pop? Sorry, that's not a strong enough reason. And yes, if someone like a Mos Def makes a rock album, his album would be considered a rock album...but Mos Def the artist is still hip-hop. Period. Kanye made a pop album - is he not hip-hop either? Timbaland makes has produced for Nelly Fertado and Justin Timberlake - is he not a hip-hop producer? Whether or not you enjoy their music is a different topic - but the Black Eyed Peas rap and break dance...and their roots are from Los Angeles hip-hop. They are very hip-hop. Like Sally, Nikki, and Rico said in different ways - we have to allow artists to evolve and be who they are. Artists have always experimented with different genres, even outside of hip-hop. Ray Charles did soul, blues, gospel, AND country. But his roots are in gospel and soul so that's what we look at him as

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  15. @Ronald - KRS-One also said Kanye's "Flashing Lights" or "Stronger" wasn't hip-hop lol C'MON SON!

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  16. Brandice BS'mOne BellFebruary 16, 2011 at 6:26 PM

    It seems like everyone is so quick to cry, why do you have to fit into a genre? Well let's face it folks. We are a label-driven society. Just ask anyone of mixed race how easy it is to exist in this world when you don't belong on one side of the fence or the other. I'd love to believe that we have grown to a point where we can all sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya. But thats is not the world we live in. Take the Grammy's as a prime example, if there were no categories, how would the awards be divied up? Best new singer with no curse words in their lyrics? Best new artist whose songs have been featured a lot on the radio? As much as we love to chant the mantra, "Label jars not people", labels and genres do have their place. Please believe Bebe and Cece would have been pissed if the BEP took home a Grammy for best Gospel album. You can't just ignore the fact that though there are a lot of genres you can put them in, there are also a lot of genres that you can't. If we're gonna blur the lines of hip-hop, lets blur all the lines. Hell, Nelly is a rock and country artist now, why wasn't he nominated for a country Grammy? I hate to bring race into this but let's face it; if you are black (or Eminem lol) and you aren't solely singing r&b, country, or rock, they're gonna call you hip-hop. Is it wrong? Yes. But I don't make the rules, I just call it like I see it. As an artist, I deplore the r&b/hip-hop/urban nomenclature that typically is attached to people of color and run from it as fast as I can and as often as I can. I feel like people are trying to make the BEP hip-hop to make themselves feel better about liking a pop group lol. Quite honestly if asked, the BEP probably wouldn't wanna be called a hip-hop group because that label does carry some limitations. I love when artists push boundaries however if you push and stretch the boundaries of a square, you get a trapezoid, a rhombus, maybe even a triangle or a circle. The point is, it's no longer a square and there's nothing wrong with being a rhombus or a circle.

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  17. LOL you pulled the race card...Ok, is Barack Obama black or white? What about Tiger Woods? Mariah Carey? What about rapper Noreaga? "Mixed" is also a label. But mixed with what is the question...lol And just so you know, the hip-hopper in Wil.i.am does care about his respect as a hip-hop artist...yes, he's getting pop money, but at the end of the day an artist always wants the respect from his hip-hop peers - all hip-hop artists do, it's what the culture is built upon. Which is why he spazzed out in a freestyle at the end of some awards show a couple of years ago (BET? VMA's? one of those)...which is why he made a conscious effort to produce for a bunch of hip-hop artists (Nas, The Game). He's just frustrated that people are too close-minded to accept any other forms of hip-hop. Any other forms of experimentation (Ahem lol).

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  18. Brandice BS'mOne BellFebruary 16, 2011 at 6:27 PM

    you missed the whole point lol the fact that you know Noreaga's ethnicity shows that labels/categories matter

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  19. I'm certainly not saying that differences should be ignored or that we don't live in a world where everyone wants to slap a label on something and call it a day. Brandice, you said it yourself, you run from the R&B/hip-hop/urban label, because I'd imagine you are someone you wants to define yourself...yourself. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. People find it easier to pigeonhole things so they can wrap it up nice and neat and not have to give it a second thought or feel bad about it.

    And life, music, whatever...is not as black and white as the general public or Grammy voters would have you believe.

    And yes, labels have a time and place. Sometimes it comes from necessity, because the thing in question is hard to define....hence the Grammy's. It wouldn't be an award show if there weren't categories. But at the same time, you would acknowledge and remain open minded that "hip hop", "pop", "rock", can include a lot of different things. And if you're someone who is already is open to other ideas, wonderful - then it's your responsibility to try to help others expand the way they think instead of focusing solely on the negative.

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  20. Brandice BS'mOne BellFebruary 16, 2011 at 6:29 PM

    I guess my argument is that to force the label of hip-hop on the BEP is equally as wrong as to say that they are absolutely not hip-hop. If the argument is to promote cross-genrefication (i coined that term just now, might have to trademark it lol), then let's just put them in an other category and call it a day. I'm other and I don't see what's wrong with it. I think the tone of this discussion would be surprisingly different if the BEP could actually chime in lol. Sometimes people wage war alone.

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  21. Nah I got your point lol All I'm saying is that like Tiger Woods, Noreaga, and Obama - BEP is mixed in genres, that of which includes hip-hop. So are we gonna ignore that? Whatever side they embrace the most is on them, but they still have hip-hop in them. I'm not putting a label on them, but we can't ignore the fact that their music has hip-hop's influence.

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  22. Brandice BS'mOne BellFebruary 16, 2011 at 6:30 PM

    Of course! Bob Dylan influenced hip-hop, and Little Richard influenced Rock and Roll, I will never deny that the BEP's presence has changed the face of hip-hop. I just wish that everyone would see that hip-hop is becoming the joke genre. Country artists have debates about whether Taylor Swift is country, but there is one thing that I am sure of, she sure as hell ain't R&B, rock, gospel or Latin! The term pop itself comes from popular, meaning relevant to the mainstream audience. If you take this definition, everyone who has gone Gold is pop. That's not a bad thing. When I was at a Dead Prez concert , they chanted that hip-hop is for the pih-poh (people). They were talking about the huddled massed and not the masses in general, the people who solely want to be entertained. At hip-hop's inception, no one ever would have dreamed that it would become "pop", but now that seems commonplace. Which is cool, but I feel that this "evolution" has had an adverse effect on the kind of artists that stay true to hip-hop's original "rage against the machine" notions. Now these artists are alienated into feeling as if they have to be more pop. Take Lupe for example. He's being forced out of not putting out the kind of music he wants with his label probably because it's not pop enough.

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  23. Nicole 'Jukey' WhiteheadFebruary 16, 2011 at 6:30 PM

    Um...after reading all of these WONDERFUL comments, my only question now is: what would you consider 'Walk This Way' w/ Run DMC & Aerosmith?

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  24. "I'm letting them evolve. It seems you aren't. By keeping old tags on what they used to be. I don't care how much break dancing they in their videos, that doesn't change the sound of their music. I don't care what you think is a strong enough reason is, this whole conversation is based off of opinions. And people's opinion of hip hop is jaded because many are quick to attach it to shit that only remotely relates to it. If Taylor Swift put break dancing in a country video, does that make her a hip hop artist? No. You brought up Kayne, yes he made a pop album, and for that album he was a pop artist. I loved the album, loved kanye for doing it, but stop trying to tie hip hop to something that it's not! It was a pop album! And Kanye is not solely hip hop his dam self. He's been a pop artist for years. True hip hop artist are barely recognized because we mix up soo many genres with it, it becomes something nobody can even put a finger on anymore. I'm not going to sit here and list out who agrees with me, I don't care who does or doesn't. The fact of the matter if you are going to call BEP a hip hop group, you're missing a couple of tags. Hell you don't even call the Undergrads a hip hop group. We are an alternative hip-pop group. But you are so blind when it comes to BEP? C'MON SON! We have hip hop elements, that does not make us a hip hop group. We dabble, we move in different directions, and with those actions we change our sound. That's what makes us unique, but with that change comes the change in our genre."
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  25. Brandice BS'mOne BellFebruary 16, 2011 at 6:31 PM

    if forced to define it, i'd call it a rock hip-hop collaboration

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  26. @Ro - that's exactly my point. I'm not putting a label on them. All I asked was "do they deserve our respect as hip-hop artists?" All I'm saying (again lol)...The Black Eyed Peas are hip-hop...and pop...and whatever else. They're all these things. We may coin a different name for their genre, but it still is what it is. So glad you brought up The Undergrads, because even in every interview we've done, what do I say? We're hip-hop AT IT'S ESSENCE (or core), with a blend of pop, alternative, and r&b (at least that's what Orientation was lol). So really, you sorta proved my point. And by your definition of popular - if everyone that's gone Gold is "pop"...then that would mean EPMD, A Tribe Called Quest and Redman (every album before Doc's The Name) are pop too. Again, I'm not putting a label on anyone. I'm just not going to ignore the fact that (like The Undergrads) BEP's music has a lot of hip-hop influence.

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  27. ‎@Nikki - great question! That's hip hop! (and rock, of course lol)

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  28. You could say that about almost any artist in any genre that isn't mainstream. You could say they're not getting a fair shake because they don't want to conform. Nope, you're right, they're probably not. Bluegrass music had humble beginnings as the music of people from Appalachia and now the music industry wants to lump it in with The Dixie Chicks and Taylor Swift. I have a father in an old time country music band, and they just aren't the same thing. But what's popular reflects the general public and the general public isn't willing to dig a little deeper and find music with a deeper meaning. And doesn't that make underground music more special?

    Anyway, call me crazy, but I thought the real question of the blog is why is everyone hating on BEP?

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  29. Brandice BS'mOne BellFebruary 16, 2011 at 6:34 PM

    Special's great but it don't pay the bills lol!

    I don't know who is hating on the BEP, I never took that stance, but if that's the point then, people are hating on them because they are rocking out to sold out shows and getting invited to perform at events as widely televised as the Superbowl. They're in the public eye and they're succeeding, they're gonna be hated on, duh! Case closed lol

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  30. You are... I'm done. My comments keep getting deleted, but whatever on that. BEP will never stand on the same ground as NAS. They make pop music for pop fans. They deserve credit for being one of the best pop groups to date, not hip hop.

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  31. Nope, special doesn't pay the bills. Maybe that's why the Black Eyed Peas added Fergie, became more mainstream and made millions and millions of dollars.

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  32. @nikki That would be rock/hip-hop. But not Hip-hop. Those are two different answers, and that's what isn't being recognized here.

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  33. @Ro - funny you say BEP will never stand on the same ground as Nas...when Nas was the one who sought after Wil.i.am to do production on his (ironically lol) Hip-Hop Is Dead album lol

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  34. Nicole 'Jukey' WhiteheadFebruary 16, 2011 at 6:37 PM

    @Ro, Nikki is cool. But I asked that question becuz it seems like that fusion back in the day is no different than the fusion of some of the BEP'S music. So, if hiphop is tagged on WTW b/c of the rapping, then why not Boom Boom Pow? THAT was mostly rapped.

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  35. Yes, like I said in my deleted post, if you want to call them hip hop, you are missing a few genres. But they are not a hip hop group.They are a hip hop/whatever/whatever/pop group. But not a hop hop group.

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  36. Nicole 'Jukey' WhiteheadFebruary 16, 2011 at 6:38 PM

    OKAY!!! NOW, I understand where u comin from, Ro.

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  37. Pop is not hip hop. My .02

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